My grandfather was Thomas Henry Watkins b Nov 1885, Sheffield, YKS
His father was Owen Watkins born 1865 Birmingham, married to Emma Reid.
On Owen's birth certificate it says his parents were Thomas Farmer Watkins and Emma Barber who I think were married Mar 1858 in Birmingham.

Can anyone provide any additional information on Thomas Farmer Watkins and his ancestors?

Thanks
John in Canada

http://www.watkins.org.au/mboard/board_entry.php?id=655#p656

1891
Owen Watkins abt 1865 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Nether Hallam, Yorkshire
Emma Watkins abt 1868 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife Nether Hallam, Yorkshire
Thomas H Watkins abt 1886 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Son Nether Hallam, Yorkshire
Eva Watkins abt 1889 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Nether Hallam, Yorkshire
Owen P Watkins abt 1891 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Son Nether Hallam, Yorkshire

Name: Emma Reid
Name: Owen Watkins
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 517

1881


1871 Sheffield
Thomas F Watkins 33 London
Emma Watkins 33 London
Sarah A Watkins 12 B'ham
Lydia Watkins 11 B'ham
William J Watkins 9 B'ham
Owen Watkins 5 B'ham
Charles Watkins 3 Sheffield


1861
Thomas Walkins abt 1836 London, Kent, England Head Aston, Warwickshire
Emma Walkins abt 1837 London, Middlesex, England Wife Aston, Warwickshire
Sarah Ann Walkins abt 1859 Bennington, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Lydia Walkins abt 1860 Bennington, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire


Name: Thomas Farmer Watkins
Name: Emma Barber
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 139

1851 - missing ?

possible match for Thomas given brother Owen

1841 Ranelagh Road (?)
William Watkins abt 1811 St George Hanover Square Middlesex
Sarah Watkins abt 1806 St George Hanover Square Middlesex
Mary Watkins abt 1839 Middlesex, England St George Hanover Square Middlesex
Owen Watkins abt 1834 St George Hanover Square Middlesex
Seimiagh Watkins abt 1840 Middlesex, England St George Hanover Square Middlesex
Thomas Watkins abt 1836 St George Hanover Square Middlesex
William Watkins abt 1829 St George Hanover Square Middlesex

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A Gloucester Boy in Wales

Thank you very much slowhands, that certainly describes the family that I am tracing. I really appreciate your help. Thomas Henry Watkins 1885/86 was my grandfather.

I noticed an 1851 at the end of your post - did you also find something from the 1851 census on the parents of Thomas Farmer Watkins?

Somewhere I saw a note that his parents were Thomas and Mary Watkins but no other info.

John in Canada

Sorry John

You are correct my cut'n'paste failed :-)

I have now corrected it with a possible in 1841

hope this helps

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A Gloucester Boy in Wales

Thanks - for the 1841 info - the first names are certainly similar and the Thomas DOB is close...

It a good start, I will have to investigate it further

John

I have checked my files and realized that I have a marriage certificate for Thomas Farmer Watkins to Emma Barber (21 March 1858) which states that his father was Thomas Watkins, engineer and Emma's father was Joseph Barber, Blacksmith.

Therefore, the 1841 census record for William and Sarah Watkins is not the correct family for our young Thomas.

On FamilySearch IGI I have located a christening for a Thomas Watkins in London 1839, parents Thomas and Mary Watkins. Using a parent search I also identified the following children in this family; Mary Ann 1837, Thomas 1839, John 1842, James 1845, Elizabeth 1847 and Sarah 1850. (all christened at the same church in London)

However, I have not been able to find an 1841, 1851 or 1861 census with this family in it.

Can anyone help?

Thanks

John in Canada

how does this family unit fit ?
Just south of the River Thames


1841 Henry St Kennington
Thos Watkins abt 1806 Lambeth, Surrey Carpenter
Mary Watkins abt 1816 Lambeth, Surrey
Mary Watkins abt 1836 Surrey, England Lambeth, Surrey
Thos Watkins abt 1839 Surrey, England Lambeth, Surrey

1851
Thomas Watkins abt 1805 Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England Head Lambeth, Surrey Carpenter
Mary Watkins abt 1816 Lambeth, Surrey, England Wife Lambeth, Surrey
Thomas Watkins abt 1839 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth, Surrey
John Watkins abt 1842 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth, Surrey
James Watkins abt 1845 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth, Surrey
Sarah Watkins abt 1850 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter Lambeth, Surrey

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A Gloucester Boy in Wales

Fantastic

the 1841 and 1851 families are a perfect fit except Elizabeth 1847 is missing. However a check of FreeBMD shows 5 different Elizabeth Watkins died between 1847 and 1851 so good chance she was one of these.

Thank you very much

John in Canada

Based on the 1851 census, I have now located the father of Thomas Farmer Watkins. He is Thomas Watkins born 1804 Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, married to Mary about 1836 and his parents were Thomas and Sarah Watkins who seem to have had 4 children christened in Cheshunt, Hertfordshire 1802-1806.

I cannot find any good leads for the birth of his mother Mary (abt 1816), or for the birth of his grandparents Thomas and Sarah (about 1787-1797).

John in Canada

» how does this family unit fit ?
» Just south of the River Thames
»
»
» 1841 Henry St Kennington
» Thos Watkins abt 1806 Lambeth, Surrey Carpenter
» Mary Watkins abt 1816 Lambeth, Surrey
» Mary Watkins abt 1836 Surrey, England Lambeth, Surrey
» Thos Watkins abt 1839 Surrey, England Lambeth, Surrey
»
» 1851
» Thomas Watkins abt 1805 Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England Head Lambeth,
» Surrey Carpenter
» Mary Watkins abt 1816 Lambeth, Surrey, England Wife Lambeth, Surrey
» Thomas Watkins abt 1839 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth, Surrey
» John Watkins abt 1842 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth, Surrey
» James Watkins abt 1845 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth, Surrey
» Sarah Watkins abt 1850 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter Lambeth, Surrey

This family seemed like a good fit until I discovered a Thomas Watkins b 1839 Lambeth in the 1881 Census, living on the same street as he was in 1841, 1851 and plying the same carpentry trade as his father. So I have to conclude that he is not the Thomas Watkins b 1837/1838 in London (Kent or Middlesex) according to the 1861, 1871 Census - living in Sheffield in 1871.

So, I am back looking for the parents for Thomas Watkins b1837/38 London (Kent or Middlesex) with father Thomas. Any other ideas?

John in Canada

Hello John
I have just seen your message, my grandmother Doris was the sister of your Thomas.
She married a Bernard Mckone. They had my mum Elsie still alive she is 80 this year (though cannot recall very much)apart from Thomas went to Canada, EVA to Scotland, Owen P killed first world war France. George went to Worcester to be a farmer.Robert to Stratford.
I have not had any contact from any Watkins since the early sixties.

regards Hazel.